Rose Tyler and River Song

So, I’m not to keen on doing things like this- posting my opinions on why certain people are better than other people- but I really needed to get this out.
First, let me illustrate how I’m watching Doctor Who.

Watched Series 5 the summer it finished.
Went back and watched Series 1
Watched Series 2 (last few episodes, Doomsday included, with my parents. Mistake.)
Watched Series 3, with my parents
Went back and watched Series 1 with my parents because they wanted to see the change from Eccleston to Tennant
Finally back on schedule, going to watch Series 4,
Then I’ll have to rewatch Series 5. Great.

Moving on!

I love Rose Tyler. I love Billie Piper, I love how her hair style changes, everything. I especially love how Rose was a normal girl, downright frumpy even, and the Doctor found her and fell in love with her. She always said the right thing, she grew from her mistakes and grew from being with the Doctor. She learned of a better way to live her life being with him. Isn’t that the type of growth we all hope to go through? All of the companions have been changed by the Doctor, yes. And some of them were just normal people. But Rose is this generation of Whovian’s Sarah Jane Smith, our Jamie McCrimmon.
So, when I watched Doomsday, I cried my eyes out. Two full seasons of Rose and the Doctor, gone in a flash. Gone in the press of a button. Hardly fair to anyone. Russell T. Davies said that Rose would’ve stayed with the Doctor forever (True), and that they needed a whole universe just to contain her (also true). I understand that they had to get rid of her because it would be boring without other companions. Martha had big shoes to fill, but I liked her. She was funny and smart. I liked Amelia Pond, too. I’ve only seen one season of her, but still. She’s funny, witty, puts the Doctor in his place.
So, I was on Wikipedia one day, curious as to how long certain companions had been companions, and who had been a companion the longest. Alright, well, that’s Jamie McCrimmon, played by Frazer Hines. Jamie was in 116 episodes of Doctor Who, the most any companion had ever been on. He was the companion of the Second Doctor. Many people would say Sarah Jane Smith, but I’m not going to count her because she’s only got more episodes on McCrimmon if you count her spin-off. Nothing doing.
So, okay, Rose Tyler wasn’t around for 116 episodes. But she was around for 31 episodes as the Doctor’s companion. That is the same amount as Amelia Pond, who the Doctor did not fall in love with and who did not fall in love with the Doctor.
I feel as though the marriage of the Doctor and River Song was kind of… I’m not even sure. I’m obviously biased, but look at it like this- the Tenth Doctor became that way for Rose. It’s everywhere- he’s her Doctor. But that’s okay, I get that; the two of them bonded, he loved her, she loved him. He wanted her to be happy, which is why he changed like that. So, okay, 31 episodes as a companion later, she’s in another universe, away from him. But she still loves him. Then she gets a human version of him to grow old with, which is fantastic. She deserved that, that happiness. But River Song… I don’t know. Maybe I don’t know enough of her story, but I’ll base it on a fact: River Song was only a companion in 5 episodes. Also, she’s only in about 11 episodes (According to Wikipedia). That is 20 episodes less than Rose Tyler.
Rose didn’t marry the Doctor. She would have, but, you know, she didn’t. We barely know River Song. We didn’t grow with her. Every time we see her, she knows the Doctor more, but he knows her less. So, how can they be married?
I feel as though Moffat was trying to depart fully from David Tennant’s Doctor, and from everything Rose was to the Doctor. He’s been known to call Tennant’s outfit and hair as the Doctor stupid, so I guess it makes sense that Moffat would do such a thing like marry off the Doctor.
But, you know what else? Moffat closed about 600 different doors by marrying off the Doctor. I saw on Pinterest a meme with the Doctor kissing his new companion, Clara. The person wrote as a caption, “But he’s married! I understand she started it, but the Doctor didn’t have to like it so much.” That is exactly it. Now, people will think the Doctor can’t control himself. I mean, if my husband was travelling around with a different woman every episode, I wouldn’t be happy about it. Now, the viewer won’t be able to watch an episode where the Doctor’s flirting with another character because the viewer will scream, “He’s married to River Song! How can he just do that!” Well, yep, they’re married. There goes that.
If I’m wrong in hating River Song, alright. I don’t think I am, but maybe there’s some information I’ve missed. I guess it’s all in the writing, really. Moffat’s trying to make the Doctor something he’s not. He never seemed like the type to get married because getting married implies settling down. Apparently a lot of British people who watch Doctor Who don’t like Matt Smith. This type of writing is probably why. Also could be because the Smithster is super quirky. But I don’t mind that.
Eccleston is my favourite Doctor, if you’re wondering. He was a jerk, but without him, we wouldn’t be watching the show the way we are.
I guess this was a random rant, so I’m sorry.
Thanks for reading!

Ps, I hope Moffat never brings back Captain Jack. I love him too much, and his writing would just ruin the pleasant memories.


12 thoughts on “Rose Tyler and River Song

  1. Lani Alvarado says:


  2. Charlotte says:

    They didn’t want to get rid of Rose, Stevan Moffat even said recently that when Roses character left it was like they lost the star of the show. Billie Piper chose not to stay on for another season as she didn’t want to be typecast, and she wanted to try different things. I wish she stayed for at least one more season though :-(

    • danielaacas says:

      Wow! I actually didn’t know that, but it does make sense. I mean, whenever I look at Billie Piper I jokingly call her Rose Tyler, and not even because I’m obsessed with Rose, even though I am.
      Thanks for weighing in! :)

  3. Jen says:

    Well, River’s dead…she died in the episode he met her. So the Doctor can basically decide whether he wants to be married or a widower depending on the situation. This is not a compliment to the writing, by the way…I think the whole relationship with River is ridiculously contrived and beat over our heads, especially since all of the “good stuff” that’s supposed to make a relationship happened off screen. Moffat is not good at writing development, for characters or their relationships, not when he has shiny, clever plot ideas that are far more important. Also, yes, Billie left, but Steven Moffat never liked her. He said she was the Doctor’s “whiny girlfriend”. So clearly, the first thing he has to do is pair up the Doctor with a BAMF Mary Sue character to show how he could only care about someone extraordinary. But River and the Doctor’s marriage was a half ass hand-fasting in a universe that doesn’t even exist anymore, and only existed at all because River is a selfish little psychopath. Really, she’s the embodiment of everything the Doctor would usually hate. Their relationship makes no sense, and that’s putting it kindly…to put it more bluntly, it’s downright abusive. She tells him all the time what a shit person he is even while her world revolves around him, and he leaves her to rot in prison for not killing him…except for when he springs her for a booty call. It’s nauseating, and setting up a comparison between that relationship and the one Ten shared with Rose just shows more starkly how unhealthy it is.

    Sorry to rant on your rant…I agree with everything you said, I just thought I’d add my two cents to it.

    • danielaacas says:

      How could I not approve this comment, you agreed with everything I said, and more! Thank you so much for you input; I love rants! :)

    • Zara says:

      I completely agree with you on this one! river’s relationship with the doctor was fun and quirky, but when it comes to the doctor getting married to river the only word that comes to my mind is NO. Just NO. I love 11 and I love river as individual characters (although my favourites happen to be 10 and rose),but river and the doctor together just don’t work out as each other’s soulmate and stuff. rose and the doctor had so much more chemistry, their love grew and developed into something strong. when you see the doctor and river, you picture one of those typical flings that people have. when you picture rose and the doctor, you think of love. honestly the whole doctor-river thing was underdeveloped as a story, and i just don’t buy it. also if the doctor left river to live out the rest of her life in a prison cell just so that he could pretend to be dead, and never eventually came back to get her out of prison for good instead of just visiting her at night to have fun with her, he obviously didn’t care about her that much. the doctor would never have done that to rose. also when he regenerated into 11, the last face he chose to see was that of rose. when he thought he was going to die, he thought of helping rose with her homework. not visiting the river to pay a ‘booty call’ as you rightly put it. when 11 was regenerating into 12, he didn’t even think of river once. he thought of amy.

      • Zara says:

        also anyone who thought rose was whiny and clingy should know that she was being as human as a girl especially a girl her age can be. that is as human as it gets. when you are in love you are just as emotional, somewhat possessive on some level and yes, when you lose that person, you cry your eyes out and you’d do anything to meet that person again. sorry, but if anyone thinks that’s whiny or annoying, honestly love entails all such feelings.

  4. no one says:

    Completely agree with you. There is a chemistry between rose and the doctor that just cannot be managed by anyone else. Also you can imagine rose with eleven but river with ten or nine? (Nine would never be able to tolerate her). Rose potrays how a humble character with her simplistic charm and fierce loyalty can ground the ever-running doctor. River just ends up showing that the doctor is only compatible with someone like himself. Eleven was really good but the river parts really dampened his character for me.

  5. Tonya says:

    Thank you for such an insightful and brilliant post. I am on series 3 with Ten (just lost Rose about 7 episodes back.) I loved, loved, loved Rose and the Doctor together. I know she shows up in series 4 (I couldn’t help but do some reading to the Tardis Wiki website; read about Ms. River Song too…don’t think I’ll like her.) I just can’t fathom how anyone can’t see that Rose and the Doctor were made for one another. They were the perfect team. Their love was mutual; not one person lording over the other. I love Donna Noble. Not a big fan of Martha Jones. The chemistry between Rose and the Doctor is just there. The subtle glances. They laugh. He was so jovial when he was with her. That’s love. Plus, the last person Ten visits before regeneration (I had to watch that on YouTube, couldn’t wait): Rose. Who is the last person you would choose to see if you knew you were changing/dying? Makes me tear up just thinking about it. I have no Whovian friends; it’s nice to be able to discuss all these Doctor thoughts in my head.

  6. Riverfan says:

    it seems that everyone who has commented on here so far are River haters!!

    I’m not I love River, to me she is the ultimate companion she doesn’t need saving like Rose, Donna, Martha and Amy did, she can think for herself, doesn’t need to have every thing spelled out to her and she can put the doctors ego in its place when it gets out of control, I’m sure if River was in the place of the first three then a lot less people would have died because River has a brain and knows how to keep her emotion’s to herself in order to help the doctor.

    also when you compare the number of episodes Rose and River have done are you including the mini episodes? i think there are six or seven of them.

    and another thing the doctor has known River her whole life he met her the day she was born he tried to save her when she was eight or nine years old but didn’t because the grown up future version of her told him not to (“not one line don’t you dear!!”) in season 4.

    also he did not leave her to rot in prison he took her out for birthdays and party’s and other adventures and he did ask River to travel with him (“you could come with us?”) and she said no (“i break out of prison often enough thank you”) in season 5 (i think) and they were together for over 200 years at least by the time River breaks out of Prison to watch her past self murder him. and if she didn’t go to prison then the silence would have murdered her for not doing what she was trained to do he was saving her life.

    now onto the marriage issue!!!

    Just because you get married it doesn’t mean you have to settle down ‘in that sense’ River understands that she will never have that linear relationship with him which is why she told him not to travel alone she knows the doctor will not grow old with her.

    when she is pardoned from Prison in season seven after Amy and Rory die she tell’s the doctor not to travel alone and he says “Travel with me then?” but again she turns him down while implying that she will travel with him but not all the time and by the time Clara kiss’s the doctor River has already died in the library.

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